people you know nothing about. And yet you have Fundamentalists carrying on about abortion, speaking of it as thwarting Godâs will. What does it have to do with Godâs will if you kill a thousand people in one minute with gas? Or destroy hundreds of thousands in an instant of atomic manmade lightning from the sky? What does that do to Godâs will?
We might assume that God, like us, is doing the best that can be done under the circumstances. God is our Creator. God put us here. We are Godâs artistic vision, we are Godâs children, if you will, and itâs not a good parent who looks always to control the child. The mark of a good parent is that he or she can take joy in the moment when a developing child begins to outstrip the parent. God is immensely powerful but is
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All-Powerful. God is powerful enough to give us lightning and thunder and extraordinary sunsets, incredible moments where we appreciate Godâs sense of beauty. But if God is All-Powerful, then how can you begin to explain the monstrosities of modern history? There are theological arguments by great theologians that these horrors are to test us. But this reduces our concept of God to a stage director who says, âLet the actors follow the script. Do not give them access to the playwright.â
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In one of our earlier conversations, you said humans were created by someone or something not unlike ourselves. So we are then, in some way, created in the image of God?
Yes. I believe that.
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Doesnât that suggest we are more good than evil?
Potentially more good. When a good man and a good woman have a child, thereâs every reason to believe that child will be a good person. But itâs not guaranteed. Good parents can have evil children.
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If weâre created in Godâs image and weâre potentially good but then choose evil, perhaps we were evil all along.
Look at your phraseââevil all along.â If, at Creation, the Devil was present and entered us as well, then what we speak of as original sin can be seen as Godâs obligatory collaboration with the Devil. We were born good and evil.
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Fifty-fifty?
The point is, whether itâs fifty-fifty, sixty-forty, seventy-thirty, the odds change in each of us because thereâs an intense war that goes on forever, not only between God and the Devil butâIâve said this beforeâGod and the Devil as they war within us. We make our own bargains with Them. God and the Devil do not have the resources to be in complete control of us all the time. It isnât as if we walk through a normal day, and thereâs God on one shoulder and the Devil on the otherânot at all. They come to us when we attract their attention, because it affects Their interest as well as ours. What I use as the notion behind these assumptions that divine energy is analogous to human energyâit is not inexhaustible. God and the Devil are each obliged to manage their own economies of energy, which is to say that they will give more attention to certain elements of human behavior than to others. Very often, they withdraw from certain people. Too much is being given, too little is coming back.
Given this supposition, I feel more ready to make an approach to the question of ethics. It must be obvious in all Iâve said so far that I not only am an existentialist but would go so far as to say that we do not know our nature. We only find out about ourselves as we proceed through life. And as we do, we open more questions.
Jean Malaquais once made a splendid remarkâat least for meâduring the course of a lecture. He was a brilliant lecturer, and in the middle of a verbal flightâthis was at the New Schoolâsome kid said bitterly, âYou never give us answers. You only pose questions.â And Jean
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